sandusky and what it says about penn state and why it wasn't spotted earlier and that was earlier. why in the world would you do that? >> the question that my wife asks all the time. she has a list of things she prefers that i do. i think the bottom-line here is that authority of the board of trustees. is this my alma mater? this is a school i grow up that completely changed my life. so when this thing happened sitting in the boardroom, people look around and said is there anyone in this room who has had the experience with this kind of widespread public situation before. and i didn't raise my hand. and then i think the second question was, is there anyone here that's handled by apps is? [laughter] and at that point i guess it was pretty clear that i had been outed as they say. and so, it's really hard to step away from an institution that you've pledged her support for any valid need. we were able to get the former sui -- fbi to take over the investigation. now that i've gotten someone that the public would agree is an able investigator to takeover would take less time. >> some pe